Lmao

Self awareness isn’t your strong suite either. Lmao.

Yes, you are.

Yes, you do get to be wrong. I’m perfectly OK with that.

Sure I do, what is art is subjective, ergo anything someone calls art is art, whether you like it or not. So instead of having a sook go look at a pretty picture.

It is, because you don’t get to decide what is and isn’t art. I know you’re not OK with this, too bad.

You are allowed, just ask what it means. Don’t be a whiney little bitch that people aren’t hand feeding you every scrap of information, nobody is cognizant of your ignorance so don’t blame yours on them.

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There’s people on both sides of every fence who get there through circumstance rather than cognizance.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupitiy, and I’m not so sure about the universe.” - attributed to Albert Einstein

Using initialisms prompt self learning for those that will, and wilful ignorance for those that will not. No one is responsible for anyone elses individual lack of capacity. Funny how your situation only encourages introspection in one half of the conversation.

3% desktop marketshare, it’s stop to pick up money, not go out of your way money.

You’re welcome, thank you for taking the time to read my diatribe. I agree 100% with the issues that gone wild posters face, and I definitely think that any means we can to support and encourage them should be implemented, but a very practical side of me thinks there’s a reason this has never been solved and that’s simply because the wider market has no interest in the good natured, interpersonal erotic community because 95% of people only engage in this content for the function of self pleasure. I think the only way that those communities can function well is indeed to severely limit outside influence while also working to ensure that gone wild posts can rise high enough to reach the gen pop so as to encourage community growth.

So in all sense I agree that the gonewild communities need this, but it’s a double edged sword that will just change and redistribute the harm in other ways to the other communities. I would think there is probably a technical limitation to having their votes turned off separately from the entire instance and should be something that lemmynsfw community leads should push for with the lemmy devs for the health of all our communities.

If you’re insulted by what you are then be different. It’s obvious you’re only interested in one side of the conversation, if a little push back is all it takes to shut down your opinions then they obviously lack validity.

im def not supporting to get rid of the downvotes forever. I just think that atm they are harming this instance and should be disabled for a while

If this is the case then that’s perfectly valid, but temporary becomes permanent without a set end date.

On reddit gonewild, you post something and only users who sort through new get to see your post.

Yes, but as you say it’s different on lemmy and both users and creators need to grasp that. Both upvotes and downvotes count as activity and raise a post. A post with 200 upvotes is just as ‘active’ as a post with 100/100 or 200 downvotes.

Content doesn’t go away just because people disagree with it, and if it receives enough engagement to be seen by the wider community of course it’s going to see wider scrutiny.

The only way to prevent that is to limit access to the content from the wider community which stifles growth and engagement, or limit the wider communities ability to negatively influence the content, as in this case by removing downvotes, which also stifles growth and engagement.

Now I agree that for the sake of gone wild posters this could be beneficial, both to the sensitivities of contributors and may help the growth of the community by making contribution more encouraging, but it won’t actually change the engagement the greater community has with the content. At the end of the day you have to be controversial before you become accepted and my advice there would be to focus on having the popular vote, not all the votes.

You have to realize that posters of nude selfies are putting themselfs out there, not a prompt or a (very beautifull) artpiece.

Yes, which is why I think that this could be beneficial for those posters, but they are also just a fraction of the total content on lemmynsfw.

For me personaly, its about building a community here, i dont post to sell or for validation (anymore).

I agree. And I’d say we face similar challenges with the general community even if our perspectives are different. Both gonewild and AI creators face backlash when presented to the gen pop for reasons outside of their control.

Im very interested on why downvotes are so important for you and your community. Cause not only gonewild is affected, every community that has nude oc content is experiencing this problem.

I think it comes down to understanding the community and the expecations you have for it.

If you want a community for the creators to have a safe place to create and enjoy the you can’t have it open to the public, they’ll ruin it as we’ve seen pointed out here, in which case I agree entirely that limiting outside influence is for the best. Turn the community into a zoo rather than an interactive exhibit.

If you want a community for the public, you have to accept their judgement. For us artists it’s less of an issue because we can change our style to suit the community, but if we want to express ourselves we still have to accept that not everyone will agree.

And this is where our perspectives begin to differ due to the nature of our content.

I’ve been a digital artist for 25 years and AI is just a new tool. It’s of no benefit to me or AIgen to shy away from the public engagement, quite the opposite, our content needs to become so normalised and abundant that misconception can be scraped off the social consciousness, and ignoring the opinions of those outide of the immediate community goes against the goal of developing acceptance.

Often the things we hold closest and most dear are those that are too delicate for sharing.

I’m not against the goal of limiting downvotes, but I do have serious concerns about the scope. On an individual community level this prevents our users from voicing displeasure with content that may still yet need to be determined as acceptable or otherwise, and removing that community regulation would easily result in the creation of content that wouldn’t be beneficial to the growth of our community or its integration with the rest of lemmy but might not be against the community guidelines.

A perfect recent example is that we had a new community pop up for “deGenerative” AI content, this came about because a contributer had something they wanted to post but no other place to post it. The community decided through downvotes that that content didn’t vive with the existing community and showed a gap for a new one.

Had that user only seen their upvotes they’d still be posting unpopular creations rather than operating a community catering to their style.

So overall, not against limiting downvotes for gone wild, but I also think it’s the only portion of lemmynsfw that is unfairly brigaded to the extent that it’s necessary, and I think the change will be detrimental to the less personal creator communities.

You have zero interest in talking to me because I pointed out your hypocrisy and you have no valid defence.

Pathetic and intellectually disingenuous.

You refusing to acknowledge my point because you intentionally ignored the content of my post is a you problem.

If you don’t want to behave properly don’t cry when you get treated the same.

Me pointing that the feedback is coming from people who have no stake in getting their posts downvoted.

Just as you have no stake in your posts being downvoted because you didn’t create the content.

I find your use of name calling disrespectful and your tone condescending.

That’s rich. Coming from the person saying:

Another opinion from someone with 0 posts and 0 comments on lemmynsfw

Maybe take your own advice instead of being a condescending hypocrite.

If you want to have a conversation do so in a respectful way.

Its just not fun to post your oc content and immediatly get 5 downvotes cause some lurkers cant be bothered to customize their feed. Its driving active and contributing users away and is harming this relatively small community atm.

I can definitely see this being a much bigger issue for the Gonewild posters than anyone else, perhaps this change need only be applied to those communities?

Harden up buttercup. I’m on world so I don’t have to worry about changes to lemmynsfw voting, but I agree with the others that removing downvotes ignores that the viewer knows what the viewer wants to see. If a certain type of content is being outright rejected by the community who are you to force them to view it? Downvotes help tell us creators what is and isn’t working for the community and encourages us to lift our game.

Now go through my history and try that bullshit line:

Another opinion from someone with 0 posts and 0 comments on lemmynsfw

I just looked at your posts, how about creating content instead of reposting it. They have bots for what you do, go let one of them do it so you can stop being sad that no one likes Amy Schumer.