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  • I mean, I don’t have much problem with people disagreeing with me. But I’m pretty openly pro-capitalist, though I’m not a dumbass libertarian.

    I recognize the need for the “capitalist edge cases” (externalities, monopolies, etc. etc.) that must be regulated and fixed for the system to work. I also recognize that we’ve failed to regulate externalities (ex: CO2 emissions), and failed to regulate monopolies / anticompetitive behavior (see Google).

    So I’m a “capitalism works, but only if we work to make it work” kind of person. I think at the moment, Reddit and many other social networks are falling into the well known and well studied failures of raw capitalism, but somehow today’s society has forgotten all the 1910s era solutions that we did (ex: Jungle, etc. etc.) where we regulated the hell out of the shitty behavior and fixed the most blatant problems, for the better of America.

    We just gotta do the same thing today.


    Overall, I accept that the commies / tankies were here first, and the history of Lemmy makes it clear why that happened.


  • Lemmy, the social network, started off as a leftist hangout spot.

    From the perspective of “Open Source developers who are anti-Reddit pro-Fediverse”, it makes a lot of sense for Leftist/Communist and anti-corporation leaning people to hang out.

    After all, the more extreme the viewpoint, the more driven to action (ie: write tens-of-thousands of lines of code and release for free) people get. In some regards, its the nature of Open Source + volunteer effort to attract a more extreme ideology. IE: Free Software is driven by ideology, not by money. So you get ideological people, especially when the software is small and niche.

    The July 2023 Reddit Blackout was a big challenge for Lemmy’s old community and the new community, as the new community basically “invaded” a large scale leftist hangout spot. But hopefully we all learn to work together and the nature of our neighbors moving forward.

    I think anyone here (likely everyone?) is at least on the anti-corporate anti-Reddit side of the discussion. Which is enough of an alliance to keep us together, for now.


    It does mean that we’ll have to keep up with the far-left old-timers on this network who wish to push their viewpoints. But they are the legacy and the start of Lemmy in some respects, even as the hypergrowth (starting in July 2023) has moderated the community pretty severely.








  • https://money.cnn.com/1996/11/01/technology/aol/

    In a letter sent to the service’s members Oct. 28, AOL Chairman Steve Case touted a new pricing plan that offers unlimited access to the service’s proprietary content as well as to the Internet for $19.95 a month.

    [Snip]

    Until the new unlimited plan was unveiled, all users paid $9.95 a month for 5 hours of usage and $2.95 for each additional hour.

    This is what I remembered. My dad always told me to watch the Internet usage, because it cost money for each hour. These were 5-hours / month plans back then. That being said, 1996 is a year before Diablo, meaning the “unlimited” plans came in soon afterwards. But “unlimited” didn’t really work out in our favor because my mom and grandma who lived with us always wanted to use the phone.

    And we were the only kids of the neighborhood who had internet. People came over to our house to surf the net.


  • Good. Now look at the rest of this thread downstream. Plenty of people talking about how “peaceful” the 90s were as if they didn’t live in that era.

    I stand by what I said. Millennials largely were ignorant of world events before 9/11 and the overall explosion of information the internet afforded us. Meanwhile, GenZ always lived in post 9/11 world AND always had information at their fingertips.

    Nerds weren’t celebrated back in the 90s. If you knew too much back then (or showed that you knew too much), people would look at you funny and bully you. Today, knowledge is more generally appreciated.


  • Us Census figure was 1997. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/1997/demo/computer-internet/p20-522.html

    Looks like 22% had internet at home, but over 54% had a computer.

    How do you think the majority of computer users played Castle of the Winds, Jazz Jackrabbit, Doom, or other shareware games? Hint: it wasn’t the internet because most computer users didn’t have internet.

    1993, the previous census figures are even worse as that’s before AOL


    Btw, downloads weren’t a thing even for those who had internet. Back then, you paid per minute hour of internet usage.

    My family connected to the internet to download (POP3) out email and then disconnected. Because my Mom would then want to use the phone to call her friends. Unless you had two phone lines like a rich person, extended multi-hour download sessions at 33kbps (or slower) was just not a thing.

    That’s 14MB per hour, if you don’t remember how slow 90s internet was.

    The college students with T1 connections were the source of shareware / disks by the later 90s (like 97, 98 etc. Etc). But home users weren’t doing online downloads yet, too expensive and too slow.

    So quit your bullshitting.


  • Yup. Its nothing about “better” or “worse”. Its about the technological differences of today’s children vs myself as a child.

    Here’s a memory for yall who are too young to remember how dumb we were in the 90s. On 9/11, bullies were blaming China (and me, being a slanty-eye Asian) for bringing down the Twin Towers. I think people don’t grasp how unfathomably ignorant pre-Internet and pre-9/11 people were. Such a mistake wouldn’t happen today.

    Nothing against those bullies. Everyone was that dumb back then.

    9/11 was a big wakeup moment. Society collectively decided that paying attention to world events was important, and we got smarter. Technology improved as well, so it became easier to look up news events after that. But deep down within our collective psyche was a turning point in foreign-policy mindset. I’m seeing that Gen Z today is far more anxious and worried about world events (both good, and bad, associated with that). The 90s “peaceful” era of my youth was an illusion, it was created by my (and my peer’s) collective ignorance about the world.

    I look at my ignorant Youth vs what GenZ grows up with today, I see pros/cons with both. I think knowing more about the world is a better thing overall though.


  • Go look at this “90s was full of hope” crap that the rest of this thread is full of.

    There were the Troubles in Ireland/Britain, there was Osama Bin Laden (1993 Bombing, 1998 Embassy Bombings). The was far-right nationalism. There was Columbine. There was Rodney King race riots. There was Desert Storm 1.0. There was Ruby Ridge and Waco. Etc. etc.

    I dare say that today is possibly more peaceful than back then. We just are more informed about various disasters today than we used to be. All this “Era of Peace” crap the rest of this thread is talking about is pissing me off. It wasn’t like that in the 90s at all.


    I’m bringing up the Troubles because 90s-era Troubles got pretty bad, up to the Good Friday Agreement in the very late 90s. The world was always on fire, and any 90s kid talking about “The Peaceful 90s” has extremely selective memory.


  • did you download the old doom shareware wads

    Ummm… no. I loaded it through a floppy found in the mail through a system called shareware. (Where people would leave floppy disks in people’s mailboxes, and we didn’t know what viruses were so we just plugged them into our computers).

    Did you actually exist in the 90s? That was floppy era of shareware, you’d spread games like Doom by mail and/or by copying the floppy and giving it to a friend. That’s why it was called SHAREware, you shared it with friends. In some cases, computer stores would combine a bunch of shareware games into CD-ROMs (650MBs!!! So much space!!) and you’d get a lot of shareware all at once.


  • Uh huh. Peak AOL was 2002 my dude.

    And with 25-million subscribers, that’s only some ~25% of American-households with AOL back then, at its absolute peak. Internet in general was never a common thing for Americans to get until the Broadband era.


    If you want to talk about the internet in the 90s, be my guest. But any Millennial who lived through that era remembers that the internet was relatively rare. Most people’s exposure was through libraries and maybe schools/university systems.


  • Wikipedia started in '01. I was absolutely using it before '02/'03 for schoolwork. Just because you didn’t know about it or how to cite things doesn’t mean that applies to everyone.

    100% bullshit. You’re forgetting that I’ve actually lived in this era. No teacher was accepting of Wikipedia citations until the later 00s. There was no trust on Wikipedia’s articles until much later. You didn’t cite Wikipedia because your Teachers would penalize you for doing so. (and this culture was true well throughout all the 00s). Citations on the other hand, were just a Microsoft Word / .doc plugin so it wasn’t that big a deal.

    Furthermore: there were competing online wikis and webpages. I don’t even think Wikipedia was the breakout wiki at that age, but instead the C2 Wiki.



  • Bullshit.

    The best we had in the 90s was Encarta, ya know, that CD-ROM Microsoft sent with some computers?


    My library was on Dewey Decimal / Card Catalog for a good chunk of my childhood. If I was looking up information, it was like that. The computers were some weird old DOS-like prompt screen that almost no one knew how to use. No fucking internet. My Dad happened to be able to get Microsoft Encarta and that was the first time I ever was able to look up information in any manner similar to today, but as a CD-ROM it was only about historical / cultural old stuff, not about recent events.

    No, I’m a millennial I used the Internet.

    And secondly, bullshit. Wikipedia wasn’t invented yet… and if it had been invented, it wasn’t respected until the 2010s+ (unable to be used to write our school reports off of). So what website were you even using back then if you happened to magically have access to the Internet?

    We were playing Neopets, maybe using GameFAQs or spreading memes on SomethingAwful. But looking up information? What is this, 2010s+ ?? No one trusted the internet yet for information.