Victor

Wow, okay. Looks pretty sleek out of the box in that case. Thanks!

The top bar I mean. That’s KDE’s built-in bar? Just styled?

Neat. What’s your bar setup?

I just use Lemmy. Follow the right communities and I don’t feel like I’m in the dark in any way.

Indeed, not that difficult.

I think we’re talking past each other here. Missing each other’s points. I’m definitely confused by yours, and I feel like I’m not getting across to you. So I think I’ll say thank you for the discussion, and I’m sorry.

Just know this: I’m on board with everyone saying it would be good if AMD patched this for everyone. 🙂

But the airbag situation is different. The airbag vulnerability is something broken which already doesn’t work on the car. It’s broken before and after the crash.

But as I understood it, this vulnerability is only exploitable after the system has been compromised in some other way, first. So your system would have to first be compromised, then this vulnerability is exploitable. That’s like saying “your car radio will not function in this car, but only after the engine breaks.” It’s like 🤷‍♂️ OK, seems reasonable.

But the really bad thing IMO is that this vulnerability can cause permanent damage once exploited (?). That is super, super bad.

I haven’t had malware on any of my computers for 20+ years. 🤷‍♂️ Ever since I stopped clicking on shitty links on shitty sites and downloading shitty files with unknown contents and such behavior. I don’t think I’m worried. I’m not the target group for these kinds of attacks, I think.

I mean… 🤷‍♂️ The analysis is made, decision made. I probably have an affected system but… What’s the real risk for private end users? Should I really be so concerned?

they could just as well choose to help them.

I think that’s what I have a hard time believing. If they could “just as well” help, it is my belief that they also would. Because I don’t think they’re morons. I think they know this hurts their reputation. There has to be some obstacle, be it financial or lack of man power or… something. That is my belief.

Don’t you (all) think that sounds more likely than them just leaving their customers in the dark for no other reason than not having to do work?

Hacks 👴👌

Best of luck to you! I hope you find a strong drive!

That came out way worse horse than I thought

Fixed 👌

What I meant was exactly that, which you corroborated as correct. You’d first have to already compromise these systems, in order to be able to exploit this vulnerability. That’s as I understood it. It’s that correct?

Gosh, it’s not easy getting my point across here today, I’m sorry.

All I’m saying is that I don’t think AMD is doing this to us, on purpose. I think it’s just happened, and they’re not handling it very well, even though it’s somewhat understandable. At least to me. 🤷‍♂️

But then again, I have no reason to be attacked or have my system compromised, so my situation is better than others’, perhaps.

I agree. 👌

😄 I personally like Linlings, I think… Anyway, thanks for sharing!

When I said “It’s like”, I meant it as a simile to what’s going on with AMD right now. Not with what’s actually going on with car companies. Car companies are a whole different topic and discussion, of which I know nothing.

Would a car have a defect that was shown 5 years later, then the manufacturer would have to recall it or offer a repair program and or money in exchange.

I mean… A car is different, depending on the defect. It’s like “this window only breaks if you’ve already crashed the car”. (The defect only causes a vulnerability if the system is already compromised AFAICT.) And 5 years is much, much younger for a car compared to a CPU, but that’s not the important bit, I know.

But I agree with you all, I am not saying it shouldn’t be fixed, I was just saying I don’t think AMD is looking to screw over their customers on purpose. That’s all.

Ryzen 3000 series CPUs are still sold as new

Ah, that changes things. Not great. But still,

uninfected systems will intentionally be left vulnerable

what I meant was that apparently only compromised systems are vulnerable to this defect.

I’m guessing it’s a balance between old products, effort, severity, etc. As we’ve learned, this is only an issue for an already infected system. 🤷‍♂️