It’s a rare example of English being simpler than other languages, so I’m curious if it’s hard for a new speaker to keep the nouns straight without the extra clues.

  • umbraroze@lemmy.world
    12·
    17 days ago

    I’m a Finnish speaker. Nouns aren’t gendered in Finnish either, so that’s not weird.

    Things that do trip me up:

    • Pronouns (lack of T/V distinction (i.e. just one “you”) and gendered third person)
    • Articles (Finnish doesn’t have articles as such, so adding them sometimes takes some brainpower)
    • so freaking many irregular verbs etc
    • seriously what is this orthography even (Finnish grammar may be complex, but the same can’t be said of the pronunciation)

    Actually, I’m learning French right now and gendered nouns aren’t even that much of a problem. I was dreading the numerals more.

    • Taniwha420@lemmy.world
      4·
      17 days ago

      We actually do have a second person singular, “thou.” We just transitioned out of using it because ‘politeness’. Thou could useth the second person singular, but thou would soundeth quite archaic. (Think I conjugated that correctly.) You can still see it used in some religious texts in reference to God.

      • Zombiepirate@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        5·
        17 days ago

        I believe it’d be thou wouldst sound archaic or thou soundest [most] archaic, in early modern English depending on the tense, but that’s a great point.

        • Taniwha420@lemmy.world
          3·
          17 days ago

          I think you’re right. I didn’t think the “helper words” in the conditional should get conjugated, but I grabbed a Book of Common Prayer off the shelf and there’s a bunch of “thou shalt” + infinitive, so evidently the conditional does get conjugated (in addition to “thou didst” and “thou hast”.) Pretty sure I noticed some 2nd person weak verbs that looked like they had the same conjugation as the 3rd person (eg “Remember thou keep holy …”) I did note “he cometh”, so maybe that -eth ending is actually an older conjugation for the 3rd person that later morphed into an -s ending? Just noticed “he saith (says)”, and the confirmed -eth ending on a bunch of 3rd person congregations. Interestingly, I found a LOT of “thou shalt”, some “thou wilt”, but no “thou couldst” or “thou wouldst”. Probably because the BCP is all like, “you WILL, this is not an option, sinner.”

          I don’t know though! I’m a typical English first language speaker and I’m just going with what feels right and using my understanding of grammar from my French education.

          • Zombiepirate@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            3·
            17 days ago

            It does get confusing! I’m kind of a Shakespeare nerd, and the cult I was in till I was a young adult was big on the King James Version of the bible, so I guess I’ve just had a lot of exposure. I don’t really know the rules.