(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I’m just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you’re in]

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(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I’m confused by that as well)

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
    77·
    13 days ago

    Neither this nor that. Your options are too simplistic.

    Of course, police needs guns.

    Some civilians need guns, too. But not many. They should be able to get them, but they have to prove their need. It needs rules set up in advance to define what kind of needs qualify for getting guns. And then it needs laws against gun abuse.

    In addition, soldiers need guns. They even need weapons that are much stronger. So there must be boundaries between several kinds of weapons, and normal people cannot get all kinds. And there must be boundaries between what police can do and what soldiers can do. For example, soldiers must never go against civilians, and nobody has the right to order them so, and they can never get punished for denying such an order.

    • lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca
      84·
      13 days ago

      but they have to prove their need

      No. They should have to prove their competency. Need is too easy to dispute. We dont get to dictate why someone needs a gun any more than why they need a car. If they want one, have the means, and demonstrate compliance with safety guidelines, then they shouldn’t be denied. Canada handles this fairly well.

      School shootings demonstrate why some people should absolutely be denied access to guns.

      The current US political situation demonstrates why more people should arm themselves.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
        62·
        13 days ago

        Need is too easy to dispute.

        Because it needs to be disputed. You want a gun, you make a case for it.

      • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
        41·
        13 days ago

        prove their competency.

        That’s a good thing, but comes after the need.

        current US political situation demonstrates why more people should arm themselves.

        If it’s about bringing down a bad government, it can be done with pitchforks as well.