I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I’m drawing is that for my purposes it doesn’t really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded
As a socialist, you will understand I’m sure that constant being slurred with “tANkiE” from mostly .world users is very tiring
They never mentioned you or slrpnk
Or socialism.
They got offended because they support that same crap and they see it being called out.
They used a political slur against entire servers and on the left, there is a concept of solidarity.
Solidarity with authoritarians has a long and sordid history of betrayal and being lined up against walls in the end. Anarchists have had to learn that lesson in the most brutal of ways.
Yep. They only tolerate you as long as you’re useful. As long as you don’t push back against their mass incarceration, assassination, and even genocide. Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is a distant afterthought.
Authoritarians are bad but lemme just stick up for Russia and Iran mmmkay.
There’s a difference between being a socialist, and blindly defending authoritarian regimes that claim they are socialist. Those instances earned their reputation for a reason.
Make it a stickie, because barely anyone observes this definition.
I am regularly slurred as Russian bot or a tANkiE when calling for peace and de-escalation of war.
Daily .
Have you stopped to consider that maybe you’re just an asshole?
No, seriously, you’re whining about being called a tankie when… like dude, you’re a tankie. Half your comments are just bringing up how EU/UK support for Ukraine’s defense is a frivolous waste or similar. I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
From my position warmongering is deeply toxic.
No matter how much organizing you do with other anarchists offline, to the .world crowd if you’re to the left of Joe Biden you’re a tankie.
From my position, the jedi are evil!
Man, they weren’t kidding about those federation issues. Just now got the notification here. Listen, you’re not wrong that people are reactionaries, this is the internet. Many people need to either figure out they aren’t welcome, or figure out a less confrontational way to present their ideas (me included, often).
But all that said: there’s a difference between “I think anarchists are largely naive at best” and “This person is a tankie”. I can (and frequently do) disagree with all manner of left-slash political opinions, and I’m perfectly happy to coexist with them since they often have perfectly good ideas that come from a position I disagree with, but can accept.
What I can’t abide, and what the above asshole espouses, is the brainless regurgitation of pro-russian propaganda. Ideas like “enabling the AFU’s continued defense of Ukraine is unconscionable and the guilt for all the innocent deaths lay at the feet of NATO for enabling this war to continue” are what makes someone a tankie, and are what that person keeps saying. That’s the shit they get pushback on (and which they fail to understand the negative reactions to), because they’re too self-centered to realize that Ukranians aren’t some innocent babes in the wood lead astray by a wolf. They are a people who have fought and died, for hundreds of years, to secure their fucking right to choose the fates they make for themselves. The choice to lay down one’s life for a cause they believe in, that they dictate, is one every culture holds absolutely sacred. How many martyred anarchists are there, who’s names live on in the creed of those who come after them? I’m not even an anarchist and I can think of dozens.
A situation has arisen which has lead so, so many to make that choice, and while every life lost here is a tragedy I grieve over every day, infantilizing the people who’s lives are freely given? The people who’s lives are being stolen from them? The ones who’ve been found with their hands still bound, dumped in mass graves? The busses full of stolen children, who will never be seen again?
THAT is what makes this jackass a fucking tankie.
statist cops who routinely perform extrajudicial executions, have largely unchecked mind control powers and freedom to recruit child slaves from pod racing without any sort of oversight
Next you’ll probably need me to explain why the imperium of man is evil
You seem very emotionally invested in war with Russia, I don’t think opposing that makes people tankies, nor do I see how opposition to war infantalizes the people getting killed by it.
Ukranians aren’t a monolith and there were plenty of Ukranians getting killed by their government prior to '22.
Of everything you could choose to criticize the jedi for, of all the many things you could choose, Thought Crimes and Qui-Gon emancipating Anikan is what you go with? I mean, christ, I just said that to point out how cliché your response was, I did not think you’d actually roll with the idea I was comparing you to Darth Fucking Vader.
Honestly there’s not much more for me to say to this. Between that and you revealing that you think the imperium is evil (which… uhm… buddy you’ve missed the entire joke) I think you’ve made your grasp of political nuance pretty explicit. I won’t even try to figure out what you mean by saying ukranians aren’t a monolith, or that there have been ukranians dying in wars prior to 2022. Obviously this is true? You do know about the annexation of crimea, right? Or… essentially the entire history of Ukraine? Or every other country? And the active genocide Russia is carrying out on the Ukranian people, you know about that?
Sheesh. Opposition to war with russia does not infantalize Ukrainians, nor does it make one a tankie. War is bad. If I had a magic wand, I’d end the war in a second. I’ve been to wars, I know exactly how awful they really are. But, opposing war with russia because you think Ukraine are the aggressors, or that any violence is to be opposed even self defence, or because one is deluded enough to think that ukranians are somehow being tricked into fighting this war by evil nato arms companies, is what makes someone a tankie. The Ukrainian people have had a war forced on them by russia, and none of them wanted this.
idk where you got the Vader comparison, but the system that the Jedi were upholding had slavery, freeing the one who happens to be valuable doesn’t make them good.
They are the reactionary enforcers/janissaries for that particular empire.
also ‘thought crimes’ is like when you’re getting prosecuted for having bad opinions, my issue is that they let these psychic cops just run around manipulating people’s minds
what’s joke then?
I think the causes America chooses to support are the ones which benefit it geopolitically, regardless of how “worthy” their cause. Palestinians are defending themselves against aggression where’s their shipment of Abrams and air defenses?
… the root of the problem is your apparent compulsion to call people “toxic” and “assholes” for having different views.
Ah yes, the “no u” gambit. Classic, deadly, refined. The most elegant of rebuttals. A refuge for only the sharpest of wits.
Anyways, do you mean different views like say, someone holding different (and by your own admission, quite common) opinions about how your conduct reflects on your character…?
They’re not calling you that for having different views. They’re calling you that for making up reasons to offend yourself and acting like a toxic drama queen. And the ratio shows they aren’t alone.
And what is your reason for adding your personal attack to this already well populated debate ?
You’re doing it again. Me pointing out a simple fact. That you brought up two different things which the author never even addressed. In order to turn yourself into some victim. That is a simple fact. If you feel that it is an attack on you to have that pointed out. Perhaps you need to look inwards.
you joined a debate, just to give your opinion of me.
Because posting on social media means that you have to accept that anyone can join your discussion.
There’s a huge difference between a tankie and a socialist:
How you to choose define it changes nothing .
Uh… Yeah, it does. It literally defines the meaning and the context in which the term is used. Thats… how language works. Fundementally.
Goodness me, you are being difficult today.
I think you can appreciate, that no one user’s definition - no matter how agreeable you and I might find it - speaks to everyone’s definition of the same term.
Especially when we are talking about colloquial slur, like tankie, which isn’t in main dictionaries.
Sure, but it does speak to that user’s definition, which is what they were talking about. And honestly, their definition is pretty much the standard. ‘A pejorative term for supporters of authoritarian regimes, particularly communist ones’ is the definition in some form across every site I’ve turned up in the thirty seconds I spent on this. It’s what everyone else in this thread appears to be using. Seems like its pretty agreed on.
It’s fair to call people who white-wash authoritarianism, genocide and roleplay as communists tankies.
This is not a matter of different opinions. They openly support the russian invasion, the atrocities of the russian occupation and reject Ukrainian identity and self-determination.
It’s the literal definition of the word.
Says the person who has massive amounts of Antisemitic hatred and are quite happy to full on blow Putin’s dick whilst spouting his propaganda I’m not shocked you’re being called a Tankie