I’m trying to find moderate and intelligent people to have discussions with without political psychosis and all the arrogant I’m smarter than everyone who disagrees with me bullshit. It seems every community here is hard left who think things like this post are Nazi declarations because I’m not buying their nonsense. Any suggestions?

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    arrogant I’m smarter than everyone who disagrees with me bullshit.

    Says the guy who’s asking where to find people who will agree with him.

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      You can disagree on politics and still be rational and kind about it. This place isn’t that.

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        They have one comment in their history and it’s not kind so that isn’t what they’re looking for.

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      You don’t know “moderates” if you think they’ll accomplish anything, their whole deal is not accomplishing anything.

      They’ve got the pacing of Ents

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        I’m not looking to accomplish anything. I’m seeking to understand everything. Or at least as much as I can. That’s not going to happen with all these ideologues.

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          Unlike you, who’re devoid of ideology and perfectly rational, right?

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          That is an excellent point.

          To understand what the hell’s going on with the entire world, right now, there is 1 book you need:

          Daniel Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast & Slow”.

          All the factions which are fighting to displace/obliterate considered-reasoning from having any authority,

          be they political, “religious”, or any ideology/prejudice, are simply trying to enforce the mere-animal imprint-reaction system, Kahneman System-1, and its rule of the whole world.

          Once you understand that all the “political” and “religious” identities are actually “makeup” on top of that limbic-brain/mind drive, then you understand that nearly nobody on the entire planet is “fighting the right war”.

          Everbody is fighting the appearances, and losing the real war, underlying it all.

          Both Leninism & Murdochism use “education”, Murdoch through TV instead of school, in order to enforce dictatorship.

          Leninism enforces “proletariat dictatorship” and Murdochism enforces “populist dictatorship”, but they’re fundamentally the same thing: obliteration of considered-reasoning from all authority.

          See it, see it globally, see that all who want to displace all diversity with their political-rule … are all playing the same game, just different factions within that “our-faction-rules-the-herd” game.

          The only actual-alternative is ruthless-systematic-objectivity, and NO government would tolerate that cutting out its entitlement, its privilege, its inertia, its institutionality, its corruption, its politics, etc.

          None of them.

          So, The Great Filter continues progressing, while ClimatePunctuation continues accelerating ( as it will continue accelerating for at-least a century or 2: planets are systems with huge inertia ).

          “We Won The Wrong War & PROVED That We Wouldn’t Grow-Up” looks like it will be our-kind’s species-epitaph.


          Read Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast & Slow” & see for yourself how everything fits together, then.

          Understand that when the Christian’s bible says, in Genesis, that women “ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil”, that means women ate Morality, and then shared it with men.

          Men have been twisting that truth for literally-millenia into mysogyny, falsely-accusing women of sin, when it was honest-moral-anxiety that women ( mothering ) earned, then shared that categorically-beyond-mere-animals morality with men.

          “The meek shall inherit the Earth” meant women.

          No lies, no gaslighting, no machiavellian male-supremacism, just making the world balance, counteracting/undoing the many-millenia of mysogyny that bullying-male-culture has enforced.

          Action-reaction.

          But humankind won’t tolerate evolution.

          Ah, there’s another book: Kegan & Lahey’s “Immunity to Change”, about how our unconscious-mind fights-off growing-up, to protect established-dysfunction… and how to dismantle that…

          So, you’d actually need Kahneman’s book to see what’s going on, & really understand it, & you’d need Kegan & Lahey’s book to understand how it could be changed into human-viability, and then you’d understand what everyone needs to be understanding, but … only you would be able to benefit from it.

          The 3rd in the set would have to be Logan, King, & Fischer-Wright’s “Tribal Leadership”, in which they convert their research into readable book form, showing the 5 modes/levels of social-process/culture-process, and when you read that one, then you can understand how the systematic-trashing-of-parenting by working-destitution, in the US, methodically increases nihilistic violence ( level-1 ), narcissism ( level-3 ), conspiracism ( level-2 ), etc, and how the US is enforcing its own strategic-butchering as systematically as it can.

          You want understanding?

          Read those 3, & see with more competent “eyes”.

          Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen.

          _ /\ _

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      Na, this is better, let them out themselves publicly like this first so those of us who do mind (at the very least) sharing a table with Nazis, can block them right off the bat, save everyone a little time…

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    “Moderate and rational” is a contradiction when you are in a sinking ship.

    Imagine a real sinking ship. Some people will sprint to the lifeboats and take off before they get overloaded. Others will try to plug the holes to slow the sinking. Neither of those are “moderate,” but they are both rational.

    The only time it is appropriate to be moderate is when there are no crises.

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      Well, I’m still new to this and Lemmy is all Im aware of so far. Well besides places like Gab and Scored but that’s the same issue.

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    I don’t know. If someone says, “fuck Israel” and I reply “fuck Israel AND Hamas” I get downvoted to hell every time. Luckily, the points don’t matter. I think it’s just a sickness of the site, it is even more insular than back in the dark ages when I was on the other site. I’m OK with it as in most other ways this place seems OK. The Presidential election is basically democracy vs totalitarianism, so I can kind of understand the division there, in that there aren’t real policy things that people are arguing over.

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    Do you know why it’s like that? By all means Lemmy etc is a shrill crowd, but also 99% of all posts like yours turn out to be a right-winger out to either troll or at least rant unproductively about people disagreeing with them. That desperate desire for moderate and intelligent discussion seems to go out the window pretty quickly when people disagree with 'em.

    (Edit: probably do stay away from .ml though, they are exactly what you think this place is)

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    Hey, wecome, sorry for all the downvotes. Don’t let it chase you away, there are dozens of us here -dozens!- who are more rational and realistic. I, too, was hoping for a more relaxed, less extreme political chatter, but alas, it’s not here.

    So, if you find any of that outside this space, please let me know, I’ll gladly join.